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Longer than you'd think...

Posted by Tanos on Fri 22 Feb 08, 1:34 AM

Tags: books

How long have the English, Scots, Welsh and Irish been in the British Isles? At school, we were told that the Celts had turned up with the Iron Age, maybe around 300 BC and not long before the Romans came and conquered them in turn. The peoples who built Stone Henge and left bronze axe heads had been wiped out by the Celts, but when Imperial Rome gave up, the Celts - now called Britons - were left to their own devices. Waves of Angles, Saxons and Jutes from North Germany and Denmark then invaded, driving the Britons into Cornwall, Wales, Brittany and Scotland - so only Anglo-Saxons were left in England and they became the English. But it turns out that was all rubbish!

I watched the BBC's "Blood of the Vikings" series a few years ago and that included using mass DNA to try to find out the mixture of Celts, Anglo-Saxons and "Vikings" in the British Isles. One of the things I didn't understand at the time was how one could tell that individuals had, say, a Viking male line, when Scandanavia (and Germany) have essentially the same set of DNA groups as the British Isles - just in noticeably different proportions.

Over the past couple of months I've been reading forestry books and Rackham's "Woodlands" includes a particularly good discussion of how Britain was re-colonised by trees after the last ice age, and I've now revisited the same question for humans in two books, Blood of the Isles by Brian Sykes, and Origins of the British by Stephen Oppenheimer.

Both of these books are founded on recent evidence from DNA, and Oppenheimer additionally brings in detailed linguistic arguments and a close reading of Greek and Roman texts (such as the comments by Caesar about the Germanic nature of the Belgae tribe of northern France, Belgium and southern England.)

From the separate analyses that they present, it seems clear that more than three quarters of the genetic lines of the British Isles go back to the first peoples to repopulate the islands after the retreat of the ice in the middle and new stone ages, and that most of these people originally came from a refuge in the north of Spain, from which most of Western Europe was repopulated. This is true of England as well as the so-called "Celtic fringe", which wasn't itself populated by the cousins of Asterix the Gaul and they didn't come over from France in the Iron Age.

Oppenheimer goes further, and uses DNA evidence to argue that the Germanic genetic heritage in England came over during this period too. That is, that the larger number of lines associated with ice age refuges in Eastern Europe, which are present in the continental homelands of the Anglo-Saxons and England, didn't come over with Anglo-Saxon invaders, but much earlier. With some linguistic arguments, he then claims that early forms of English were present in England before and during the Roman occupation.

This would reduce the Anglo-Saxon invasions of England to a swapping of elites rather than a period of Celtic ethnic-cleansing and mass immigration, just as the Norman invasion led to the replacement of almost all lords of the manor with Normans, but didn't change the population itself or its language.

Even if only the DNA part of all this is right, then it's still striking: it means the Celtic identity in much of the British Isles is cultural and not the result of identifiable Celtic nations colonising the islands from the continent. It also means there is little difference between most of the people in the English and Celtic ethnic groups, because they're all mostly descended from the same ice age refuge in Spain, and shared these islands for many thousands of years rather than since the Dark Ages.

Edited Tue 26 Feb 08, 11:39 PM by Tanos


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